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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 23, 2009 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

1985

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jun 24, 2009 12:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

1978

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Jun 23, 2009 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I agree with the 1985 "take". Although the setlists were pretty cool and unpredictable, and although their were several great shows played, I feel as if the majority of performances were carried out with a slight degree of haste.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jun 23, 2009 6:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I agree (are we allowed to agree?). I have maybe 20 shows from that year, thinking each time I d/l one that this one will be the one that sells me on that year, but I never go back to them. Not bad- it's not a bad year, per se- but not up to the hype it gets in some corners.

2nd place, in my book, is 1970. I've tried, and will continue to try, but it never grabs me like 1969 (raw psychadelia) or 1971 (stripped down countrified) do.

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Jun 24, 2009 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

NINETEEN-EIGHTY-FIVE???? MOST OVERRATED???? ARE YOU NUTS????? AS one who was there, on tour, East Coast, the music was top notch, Jerry's vocals were a bit raspy, but they had a nice edge to them. The prevailing opinion, on tour, was the shows ROCKED..."does anyone remember laughter?"

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jun 24, 2009 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

Sure, but most shows are great in the moment. If every Dead show was an '85 show, I'd still be a fan, but there are, in my opinion, other years that make for much more interesting listening now; I like '81, '82, and '89 better from that decade. Not to take anything away from the live experience, but looking back through the lens of recordings, I've never caught the bug for '85.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 24, 2009 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

Yeah, I know 70 is a holy cow to most, but I too miss the psychedelic feel of the first 1/2 of 69 . And sometimes It feels heavy , or leaden . Being a fan of piano, I like it when Keith joined them and their improvisations start getting really going in a more jazz like fashion, and they get that deep, beautiful, and transparent sound . Now I love those 70 shows, but not as much as some folks .
Also the post coma, still Brent, "Comeback" years, I find well played,but sometimes lacking adventure , and charm , of the uneven "Junky Jerry" years of the early and mid 80's , which I used to not care that much for .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 24, 2009 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I guess I am missing the 70 thing, but since a few of you have touched on it there must be something to it...now, it is true there are not the range of jams to select from, but what about the DS-->etc. from 9-19? and then the discussions with various folks about 5-2 being the BEST show ever, etc., etc.

And all the acoustic stuff, with Work/Beauty is so important to me that I just don't see 69 beating 70.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jun 24, 2009 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I agree with you WT. 70 has some of my favorite psychedelic material. 70 may not be the raw power of 68 or 69 but the smooth fluidity and tighter band interaction of the jams are usually more appealing to me.

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Poster: wingmaninflight Date: Sep 17, 2012 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

i think '78 is a lot better than 77 and 5/8/77 is overrated to me some say 73 was thier best but 84 was outstanding

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jun 24, 2009 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I'll say 1988 because many folks really like that year. I just don't see too much in it. The set lists are shorter, the jams not stretched out and there was all that new material that quite frankly took a long time to get worked out. Not saying there weren't good shows but as a whole I have a tough time grabbing many keepers from this year.

Also...someone mentioned that the Warlocks shows in 89 were overrated. I happen to agree even though I'm in the minority.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jun 24, 2009 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I agree that the fall of 89 is overrated but I also think the summer of 89 is underrated. While I haven't listened to everything from either tour I've found the fall to be a bit inconsistent in the energy levels and sometimes a bit sloppy. As for the summer I've yet to find anything that wasn't stellar.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jun 24, 2009 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

Not sure I would call 1985 overrated. If you ask 10 Heads, 8 are going to tell you the year sucks. The spring tour has some of the worst shows the boys ever played, but I like the summer tour overall. The fall tour is ragged, but has some good moments. I could call 1985 inconsistent, even ragged, but not overrated.

1977 might be overrated. I can't take another Bertha > Good Lovin, the NFAs have 3 good minutes of good riffs surrounded by 10 minutes of goofiness, Estimated is the same thing every time (except for some outros later in the year), and the St Stephens are lame except for a few towards the end of the year. And little tunes like Deal and Jack Straw got better in later years. Jerry was great though, no doubt. The 1/2 Steps, Sugarees, Dews, Terrapins, PeggyOs, TMNSs - outstanding music. I'd call it a solid year with some amazing Garcia highlights, but just a bit overrated. I will add, however, that I have listened to a ton of this music over the past few years. I just might need a break.

This post was modified by Death&Mercy on 2009-06-24 13:43:53

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Poster: borges1974 Date: Jun 23, 2009 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

naw... b/c it ain't generally all that highly regarded.

it's 1976 for me.
too slow. too soft. too much donna.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jun 23, 2009 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I'm rarely drawn to '76 (I've really listed the years I DON'T love in this thread, huh?) but I don't think it's highly rated either- sort of a prequel to the real deal in a lot of estimations.

This post was modified by elkdog on 2009-06-24 01:52:06

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Jun 23, 2009 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

You make a good point Borges, I wouldn't say it's the most overrated because I know a lot of people don't like it.I think there are some good moments in '85 (the 6/30 Shakedown leaps to mind), but there was also a lot of hype due to the 20th anniversary stuff.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 24, 2009 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

Now for the bi-polar freak in the crowd....

1977, because it's so easy to hype it - despite the fact that one of my top 3 shows came from 1977. That and all the other reason's the '77 bashers came up with.

Nobody asked but:

#1 is 12/19/94 - for no other reason than "Days Between" - but you guys know my story here.

#2 is 2/22/69 Dream Bowl

#3 is (from '77)

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Poster: wingmaninflight Date: Sep 17, 2012 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

78 better than 77 84 better than 73 and 77

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 24, 2009 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I guess to be “overrated” a year would have to be very highly rated in the first place. 1985 may be strong year as far as the 1980s and 90s go, but overall I don’t think the majority of Deadheads (at least not the ones I know) rank anything from the Brent or Vince eras ahead of anything that came before. In other words, I don’t it’s possible for 1985 to be overrated because I don’t think it’s rated that highly to begin with.

I used to think 1977 was as strong a year as the GD ever had. Actually, in terms of the overall picture of the GD’s career I still think it is a fine year, probably their last truly great year. But over time, I’ve sort of developed this nagging feeling that ’77 doesn’t quite hold up to earlier “classic” years such as 1968-69, 1970, or 1972-74.

1970, which many people consider overrated, is my favorite year. Yes, it is a bit of a stylistic mess, but the band is just exploding with creativity- you’ve still got classic psychedelic blues jams like Alligator and Viola Lee Blues, Pig still doing his thing, acoustic sets, new tunes from Workingman’s and American beauty popping up left and right…I could go on. Other years may be more intense, or spacier, or feature more precise playing, but for shows that offer the full range of the GD experience, I think 1970 is pretty hard to top. The Fillmore run in February, the college tour in May, Cap Theater and Fillmore in the fall…pure heaven.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jun 23, 2009 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

1989. The comeback hit its peak in 1990. Even The Warlocks show in October is overrated IMHO.

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Poster: wingmaninflight Date: Sep 17, 2012 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

78 was better than 77 84 was better than 73 and 77

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Poster: Pork Soda Date: Jun 23, 2009 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

1977.
Not enough exploratory jams, only one China/Rider.
I personally don't care for the Terrapin songs.
The sound was "too perfect", I prefer it to be a little more unpredictable.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 23, 2009 7:14pm
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I agree...I never saw the attraction for TStation...I don't mind Hunter singing it, but it just really never connected for me.

I always assumed I was in a HUGE minority in this respect, so I don't think I have ever mentioned it here (yikes...don't be too hard on me folks...ahem...should rephrase that I suppose).

Of course, my era and all means I don't spend much time there nowadays, but back when I was going I just never got it...really can't put it into words...

And to answer the question for myself, it's easy: 77. Since I am more or less uninterested in the post 71 yrs, it is easy to select this one out of all the ones, since it and maybe 72 & 73 get the most PR, but I can see it for the earlier ones but not 77.

Of course, I do know I am in the minority for that one (ie, not appreciating 77).

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Jun 23, 2009 7:24pm
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I'm with you, WT.
Although I don't limit myself to the pre-72 era.I'll go thru 1974.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jun 23, 2009 8:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

Wake me up when the teacher axes which was the most overrated decade(s). Methinks I might be able to answer that with a degree of sincerity, just before the shooting starts.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jun 23, 2009 8:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

I like Terrapin but it should be shorter because it was so repetitive because they didn't explore.

I think 70 and 71 tie for the most over-rated. They had regular brilliance but mostly it's short and limited compare to the energy of 68-69 and the exploration and range of 72-74.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 23, 2009 9:21pm
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Interesting...I think they did more in 70 than 69...71 maybe I can see a small aspect of your take...very interesting.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 24, 2009 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

Agree on Terrapin. Great studio track, but way to precise and formulated for a great live jam tune. More like a fine piece of classical music. And as the years wore on, Jerry's voice just couldn't keep up with the range required. Never a particular fave of mine.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 24, 2009 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The most over-rated Grateful Dead year is...

One notable exception:

Richmond.

Other than that, the rest of the ones I saw that year were mediocre at best.